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So, I've been messin' with mic placement and stuff. I've been having fun with this a lot ha.
www.myspace.com/pinkcloudproject <--- The song I recorded myself with my band is "Empty" It took about 3 hours x) Ha, any critique? I wanna know what I could do better next time, or improve in it right now! Ha.
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 05:53 PM
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Hi! I don't have any experience recording bands but I did notice the snare sounds really really boxy with almost no snap to it at all. Not sure if that was your intention. How did you mic the drums? Vocals and guitars sound pretty good.
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:08 PM
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Well that's the problem. We still need a mixer board. We have this mic input with 2 channels. M-audio I believe x) So we just used one tom mic overhead of everything. And I realized that, I was just gonna put some EQ on it and make it sound a little better.
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:58 PM
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Yeah man you gotta work with what you got, hey?
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 06:43 AM
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Yeah exactly x) So far we've only been able to record in mono. Because I have only 1 guitar mic (It was 200$ 
and one vocal mic. But is there a way to get the "Stereo" sound ?
and one vocal mic. But is there a way to get the "Stereo" sound ?
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 01:28 PM
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Hehe mono - OLD SKOOL! 8)
I assume you're mixing in the box. You might play around with getting several different copies of your mono drum track, brickwall filtering each of them so you have a bass part, a mid part and a hi part (or even more parts in several different frequency ranges) and leaving the bass part(s) untreated and putting a stereo flange or phaser on one of the mid parts and maybe a stereo delay or small room reverb on one of the high parts. Use sends, not inserts. Just mix in the delays/flanges/verbs quite low. You can also adjust the levels of the separate parts and EQ out the boxy snare and maybe come up with a slightly nicer drum mix.
You will likely find that the layering of the different parts leads to phase issues but can't hurt to play around with to see what you can come up with.
I assume you're mixing in the box. You might play around with getting several different copies of your mono drum track, brickwall filtering each of them so you have a bass part, a mid part and a hi part (or even more parts in several different frequency ranges) and leaving the bass part(s) untreated and putting a stereo flange or phaser on one of the mid parts and maybe a stereo delay or small room reverb on one of the high parts. Use sends, not inserts. Just mix in the delays/flanges/verbs quite low. You can also adjust the levels of the separate parts and EQ out the boxy snare and maybe come up with a slightly nicer drum mix.
You will likely find that the layering of the different parts leads to phase issues but can't hurt to play around with to see what you can come up with.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 01:45 AM
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So raw, love it! 
The vox harmonies on the chorus really come together nicely.
Now while stereo would be a plus, a track should still work in mono.
I think you're desperately in need of micing up all the instruments so you can later independently EQ, compress and ride their volume levels. You can then aim for improved separation between the kick drum, bass guitar, and lead/rhythm. At present, the lower half is quite murky and ill defined. And I'd like to hear more life in the percussion's high end too.
Are you running a reverb on there too? There appears to be some lower mids / upper bass murky ambience. If possible, try EQ (high pass) this out.
network:acid's made some great stereo suggestions. You could also try re-recording the guitar parts into your multitracking software, then pan the tracks wide left and right to form an engulfing wall of guitars. Or the instant gratification method of duplicating the guitar part, panning alternatively left and right, then nudging one track along the timeline a few milliseconds. Just be sure to listen back in mono to ensure it's single speaker friendly still.
I'm really keen for you to pursue this, beg/borrow/steal some more mics and a small mixing desk (and ideally an audio interface with say, 8 inputs) so you can really set to work on what I reckon will be a pretty sweet track.
And I'm not sure what bitrate that recording streams at, seems kinda low, but 192kbps would be a good minimum benchmark and the mp3 artifacts won't detract so much.
Thanks for inviting us all on the ride. 8)
The vox harmonies on the chorus really come together nicely.
Now while stereo would be a plus, a track should still work in mono.
I think you're desperately in need of micing up all the instruments so you can later independently EQ, compress and ride their volume levels. You can then aim for improved separation between the kick drum, bass guitar, and lead/rhythm. At present, the lower half is quite murky and ill defined. And I'd like to hear more life in the percussion's high end too.
Are you running a reverb on there too? There appears to be some lower mids / upper bass murky ambience. If possible, try EQ (high pass) this out.
network:acid's made some great stereo suggestions. You could also try re-recording the guitar parts into your multitracking software, then pan the tracks wide left and right to form an engulfing wall of guitars. Or the instant gratification method of duplicating the guitar part, panning alternatively left and right, then nudging one track along the timeline a few milliseconds. Just be sure to listen back in mono to ensure it's single speaker friendly still.
I'm really keen for you to pursue this, beg/borrow/steal some more mics and a small mixing desk (and ideally an audio interface with say, 8 inputs) so you can really set to work on what I reckon will be a pretty sweet track.
And I'm not sure what bitrate that recording streams at, seems kinda low, but 192kbps would be a good minimum benchmark and the mp3 artifacts won't detract so much.
Thanks for inviting us all on the ride. 8)
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:00 AM
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Wow thanks for all the help guys (: Let me give you a better view of what I'm working with here x)
And for the drums I have a new idea. Record with a tom mic overhead and EQ some of the high's for the cymbals I guess. And the bass drum mic for the bass, then convert to mono? I've been thinking a lot about how to record things better, and more efficiently.
So my equipment!
http://reflex-record...up_image&pID=95 (It's basically this but with 2 channels)
http://pro-audio.mus...hone?sku=276668 (Okay 100$ guitar mic, my bad x) )
http://pro-audio.mus...Pack?sku=270749 (All the mics but no inputs! ARGH!)
http://pro-audio.mus...ount?sku=273156 (Vocal mic but I need some Phantom power!)
Software: Cakewalks Sonar 8.5
Haha It's so ghetto, we don't have any recording stands, so I always have to get creative to place the mics right x) Maybe I'll take a picture of our practice pad ha.
And the equipment we're looking at getting:
http://pro-audio.mus...ter-?sku=483280
Either this mixer:
http://pro-audio.mus...ects?sku=580320
OR
http://pro-audio.mus...ixer?sku=634044
And if you have any suggestions for a great mixer for what my band needs, don't be shy
So I kinda edited the stuff, made the song sound a little better. The solo isn't so muddy and doesn't startle you, so it's quieter but not too quiet. I turned up the guitars, and the screaming, and Rique(The girl who sings, she's so quiet)
So, take a look, enjoy. And also about the EQ stuff, can you put that into a "EQ for dumbies" kind of language? I'm still really new to this whole thing.
*EDIT*
Forgot to add, it was 192kbps, should I increase it?
And for the drums I have a new idea. Record with a tom mic overhead and EQ some of the high's for the cymbals I guess. And the bass drum mic for the bass, then convert to mono? I've been thinking a lot about how to record things better, and more efficiently.
So my equipment!
http://reflex-record...up_image&pID=95 (It's basically this but with 2 channels)
http://pro-audio.mus...hone?sku=276668 (Okay 100$ guitar mic, my bad x) )
http://pro-audio.mus...Pack?sku=270749 (All the mics but no inputs! ARGH!)
http://pro-audio.mus...ount?sku=273156 (Vocal mic but I need some Phantom power!)
Software: Cakewalks Sonar 8.5
Haha It's so ghetto, we don't have any recording stands, so I always have to get creative to place the mics right x) Maybe I'll take a picture of our practice pad ha.
And the equipment we're looking at getting:
http://pro-audio.mus...ter-?sku=483280
Either this mixer:
http://pro-audio.mus...ects?sku=580320
OR
http://pro-audio.mus...ixer?sku=634044
And if you have any suggestions for a great mixer for what my band needs, don't be shy
So I kinda edited the stuff, made the song sound a little better. The solo isn't so muddy and doesn't startle you, so it's quieter but not too quiet. I turned up the guitars, and the screaming, and Rique(The girl who sings, she's so quiet)
So, take a look, enjoy. And also about the EQ stuff, can you put that into a "EQ for dumbies" kind of language? I'm still really new to this whole thing.
*EDIT*
Forgot to add, it was 192kbps, should I increase it?
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