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NO CLEAN FEED

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Yep, it's fucked.

Dear Senator Conroy,

I am writing to voice my extreme opposition to your so called 'Clean Feed' plan. I hope you will very quickly realise that no Australian, be they child or adult, will benefit from this proposed filtering of all internet content, and yet every Australian internet user will be negatively affected by both slower speeds and reduced access to inappropriately blocked websites and material. Aside from this any filter will, without exception, still allow some illegal material through and fail completely to filter or block illegal (or any other) content in Peer-to-Peer traffic.

Further to this, I have grave concerns about who will be deciding for me what is appropriate and what is inappropriate for me to be accessing. If you block even one website that is not strictly illegal by the letter of the law, you are encroaching on my rights as a free citizen living in a democracy, as a future parent in deciding how to raise my children, and as a human being with agency and moral judgement.

I am especially deeply concerned that you would require the support of the extremely conservative Senator Steve Fielding, who does not represent me or my views, to get this law passed. I would consider it an abject failure of the Australian political system, a failure of the Government as the hand and voice of its people, a failure of you as a representative of your constituents, and a failure of my MP (Nicola Roxon ALP who I will also be contacting) in representing me if such a strongly and popularly opposed piece of legislation were in any way to pander to Senator Fielding's beliefs and values - which clearly only resonate with a small portion of Australians, in a specific region - in order to get through. That this might be the case should be ringing alarm bells with you to suggest that perhaps this is not the right way to approach the problem of illegal material on the internet.

Your plan does nothing to encourage good behaviour in citizens, nothing to assist parents in educating their children and nothing to endear you as a politician to the vast majority of voters. Worse, your plan punishes the majority for the actions of the infinitesimally small minority, assumes every internet user is without a moral compass, and judges them unable to decide for themselves what they deem appropriate, not to mention slowing down their internet access.

I implore you to consider using the money that would be wasted on a filter that would ultimately fail to complete its goal while negatively affecting all internet users by funding education for children and parents, providing funding for research to improve computer-based filtering programs, and providing better support to the Federal Police in tracking down the users and creators of child pornography.

I will be following up this email with a letter further outlining my objections to your proposed filter and providing suggestions for further alternative ways to better use taxpayer money to protect children from illegal content on the internet. I welcome your response to this email via any of the contact details below.

Regards,

neo

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Filters are bad enough already, let alone attempting this monstrous white elephant. Not only is it f*ked but totally unworkable.

It's bad enough at my work - and I support the use of filters at work. Being a govt-funded education institution I can understand the need for them to be there. I really don't want pron and "how to make crystal meth in your bath" at work...

But in my office I've had perfectly legit audio sites blocked because the Uni filter thinks it has 'adult content' (which it clearly doesn't), and in our dept's computer lab SoundPunk itself has been blocked because the filters detect 'streaming content'. Which means now my students doing legit work on the Punk can't do it at school anymore. Our IT guy is like "meh, too bad"...

So one little example, I imagine multiplied by the thousands every day already - and that's before this debacle. And that's just at work! Don't get me started on home  :o

Messy messy messy  :( Another classic example of ignoramuses who have no concept of how the net really works. Which is ok, I don't expect my 70 year old dad to be a net expert. But sheesh, this is our Communications Minister we're talking about - there are unacceptable levels of ignorance here.

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Yeah I was put onto this a few weeks ago. Jesus Christ it makes me angry, for so many reasons...

If it ever comes in I'll be quickly investing in a server in the US or somewhere with very high speed access, and SSH tunnel into it.

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"Labor makes no apologies to those that argue that any regulation of the internet is like going down the Chinese road," he said.

"If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd-Labor Government is going to disagree."

This is what is fucked...

They're blatently admitting to removing civil liberties, yet somehow think they are doing the nation a favour. Also, they say they're doing it to "protect the children", what child is going to be watching child pornography anyway? Seems more like a blanket ban in some futile attempt to irradicate the illeagal porn trade. I dont know... Commy bastards :-X

The people who really want the material that they plan to filter can get it anyway by other means (peer to peer, as network acid stated).

Id like to hear from an IT guru would could fully explain the implications though. It seems a wee bit vague at this point.

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"Labor makes no apologies to those that argue that any regulation of the internet is like going down the Chinese road," he said.

"If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd-Labor Government is going to disagree."

Yar, this comment is a tad stupid. Wouldn't it be more productive to invest in finding and castrating these sort of scum rather than making them more inclined to go deeper underground and just as likely to implement their fantasies?

Wont someone think of the children???

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its a generational thing, all the old farts in power only use the internets to check email and look at porn

so they assume we do too.. us deviants who use forums to trade awesome child porn..

when young people who grew up with a mouse and a keyboard are in power we wont be facing this and the non gaming rating system

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I just received a 4-page copy and paste fuck off letter from Conroy which addressed exactly zero of the issues I outlined in my email. Fucking cunts! I'm fired up, now!

*starts writing follow-up letter*

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^good article. And good advice. Specially the part about speaking civil. I work for an Ombudsman's scheme and ALL CAPS laced with what the author thinks is witty sarcasm, just doesn't bode well for their cause.

Yeah this filtering bizo doesn't look good does it. Ya know, I don't give much of a hoot if I can't access child porn but I'm almost certain it will lead to more broader censorship with political agendas.

The internet censored? It was the last true forum of free speech. This is a massive turning point and the world will be watching nevously as world governments will possibly, make that probably, follow suit. We are the guinea pigs. I wonder if Crikey will ever accidentally-on-purpose be black-listed?

Not. Happy. Jan.  ;)

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The Australian Govt. has always loved its censorship.

Why let all the parents do the monitoring when the good ol' boys in Parliment can step in and save the day, you know...just in case a kid accidentally stumbles upon child pron whilst looking for Jonas Brothers lyrics. All of that, and the evil people distributing such stuff will still somehow find a way to slip through the cracks.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that internet is not a safe to begin with if you're young and have a fragile mind. I wouldn't suggest making it illegal for people under a certain age to use, but giving a child absolute freedom to the surf the web unmonitored is a risk that parents have to take responsibility for.

I grew up from being a child to a teenager as the internet made it's way into almost every household by the end of the 90's. I can't say that anyone I know has been traumatised by anything on the internet to the point where government should have been there to prevent it. Also, I've gotta say we weren't just visiting disney.com either. Where are the overwhelming cases of youths having their lives destroyed by lack of government intervention on the internet? I think there are far greater problems with youths being traumatised by cyber bullying and addiction, both seperate issues from censorship.

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I can suggest a good book -  Risk: The Science and Politics of Fear by Dan Gardner. Read this and your scepticism of issues such as internet filtering will double. The book talks about the two systems of decision making (head and gut feeling - or logic and instinct) and how these are manipulated, particularly gut feeling, to push political ideals, sell products and create general fear.

Note this book is not some crack pot conspiracy theory it is backed up by real science and studies.

Regardless of all this; this internet filtering push has changed my vote next year. Green and independant - I think it is time to take away the power from the 2 major political parties to ensure that we have a government that has the best interests of the people at heart.

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Regardless of all this; this internet filtering push has changed my vote next year. Green and independant - I think it is time to take away the power from the 2 major political parties to ensure that we have a government that has the best interests of the people at heart.

[hippy]

I keep voting Green in the grand hope that one day my Green vote won't land as a preference for one of the two major political parties. I did check first to see where it would end up, and sure my last major Green vote ended up with Rudd, pushing Howard out, but we're *still* invading other countries with *our* troops murdering people who had nothing to do with two planes that crashed into another country that isn't ours.

Rudd has been such a disappointment, but hey, at the time he did appear to be the best of a bad bunch, and the Greens did score a seat in Fremantle (or was that the last state election?) meaning there's some hope that Green votes don't all get wasted on their preferences and with enough backing, they'll eventually gain the parliamentary power they deserve.

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yep agreed. last election was the first time I voted alp in both houses, normally give a green or democraps  a run in senate. I was desperate to get the libs out. Rudd has done some nice symbolic things but nothing with any grunt or backbone.. even this ets stuff seems like a copout to me; shifting the problem not implementing real change, although it is at least recognising there is an issue unlike the majority of liberal mp's. And this internet filter stuff is a shamozzle.

I have this vibe that come 2010 bob brown is going to find that his party has a lot more say and will re-actualise Don Chips democrat mantra of keep the bastards honest. Hopefully a stepping stone towards a real choice in australian politics.

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What do they say, 'never discuss religion or politics'...

...SoundPunk, we discuss it all! :eatadick:

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