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and it's just 1 bar patterns, still? .
tb303 is just one pattern eh
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Posted 12 August 2009 - 04:25 PM
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Posted 12 August 2009 - 04:37 PM
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tb303 is just one pattern eh
In patten play mode, you can chain upto 4 patterns and then switch between A-B sections...
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Posted 12 August 2009 - 05:00 PM
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1 bar patterns in a 303 are OK, as ed already said, you can chain things and have a-b sections.... it's also got all its realtime controls to do stuff, you can get a lot of variation out of one 303 pattern with the decay/accent controls if you program the pattern right (and then there's the realtime key shift, too)
And most importantly, it's a single instrument - you run it alongside other things like an 808 that can do 4 bars in a single pattern, and a 101 that has a 100 note sequencer, kicked along at steps form the 808. you get a range of cycles! the short 303 loop, the longer 808 loop, the almost neverending 101 loop..
the DS-10 is setup as an all in one music production system, and single one bar loops for the whole thing at the fundamentally time-crippled multi-channel building block level are just ridiculous. Especially ridiculous to be adding even more channels of sequencing to the fundamentally time-crippled building block...
And most importantly, it's a single instrument - you run it alongside other things like an 808 that can do 4 bars in a single pattern, and a 101 that has a 100 note sequencer, kicked along at steps form the 808. you get a range of cycles! the short 303 loop, the longer 808 loop, the almost neverending 101 loop..
the DS-10 is setup as an all in one music production system, and single one bar loops for the whole thing at the fundamentally time-crippled multi-channel building block level are just ridiculous. Especially ridiculous to be adding even more channels of sequencing to the fundamentally time-crippled building block...
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:14 PM
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1 bar patterns in a 303 are OK, as ed already said, you can chain things and have a-b sections.... it's also got all its realtime controls to do stuff, you can get a lot of variation out of one 303 pattern with the decay/accent controls if you program the pattern right (and then there's the realtime key shift, too)
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Expanded song mode: programmable track mute, realtime editing (that is, edit parameters inside the song mode
The way around the 1 bar patterns in the DS-10 was to use song mode, but it was crippled because you couldn't do realtime editing while in this mode, and to do simple track mutes you had to take up a whole new pattern.
In the end though, it is what it is. I'd hardly call it a "all in one music production system", if you're expecting that out of it then of course you're gonna be disappointed.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 07:20 PM
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303 has the whole interface right "there" when you play it in realtime... DS-10, you can only adjust 1 parameter at a time.
I guess that yeah, if I had 4 nintendo DS units each running DS10, and used each as a separate instrument, synched up, then I might be able to do something similar to a couple of separate 303s and an 808....
the thing is, though - that if they put in some half usable sequence length in the damn DS-10 sequencer to start with, you wouldn't have to. sequence length extension in DS-10 would have to be the simplest and most usable extension to the thing they could do. would cost almost nothing to code up, and be awesome. yet they go and double the number of tracks and the polyphony instead.
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I guess that yeah, if I had 4 nintendo DS units each running DS10, and used each as a separate instrument, synched up, then I might be able to do something similar to a couple of separate 303s and an 808....
the thing is, though - that if they put in some half usable sequence length in the damn DS-10 sequencer to start with, you wouldn't have to. sequence length extension in DS-10 would have to be the simplest and most usable extension to the thing they could do. would cost almost nothing to code up, and be awesome. yet they go and double the number of tracks and the polyphony instead.
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:14 PM
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Yeah definitely not saying I don't wish it was longer, or even adjustable! Would be awesome, its just not a deal breaker for me. Sometimes its cool to have to work within limitations because it forces you to be more creative in other ways.
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