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[dylab]

Just been doing some rough arrangement work in arrangement view
editing away my automations
now for some clips when I add automation the back to arrangement button goes red ,, which is odd as I am not editing in session view and all my clips are in arrangement view

if i delete automation everything is fine, except i need the automations, ive checked clip envelopes and they are empty..

any pointers, as Im stumped

[Luko]

i 'think' once you move to arrangement and start plotting out the track, if there are any clips at all in session view it will always turn red

this used to piss me off, i just stopped using session view

or if you must use it, then dont go to arrangement view untill you have done what ever it is u need session view for, when finnished highlight every clip in session and drag across to the 'flip view to arrangment button'  top right hand side of the screen

I think you will find it will bring all the clips and drop them in order on their correct channells, then you just grab it all and plonk over on the right hand side somewhere far far away, and start pulling clips back across to the left hand side (or start) shuffling things to be in the right order you want

then add your automation

[dylab]

there is nothing in session view
all clips in are arrangement view
its when I start drawing automation on a track then the button turns red not before

[DSILVR]

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i 'think' once you move to arrangement and start plotting out the track, if there are any clips at all in session view it will always turn red

this used to piss me off, i just stopped using session view

or if you must use it, then dont go to arrangement view untill you have done what ever it is u need session view for, when finnished highlight every clip in session and drag across to the 'flip view to arrangment button'  top right hand side of the screen

I think you will find it will bring all the clips and drop them in order on their correct channells, then you just grab it all and plonk over on the right hand side somewhere far far away, and start pulling clips back across to the left hand side (or start) shuffling things to be in the right order you want

then add your automation

I don't get that mate, are you saying that you don't use session view at all? Just construct your track only in arrangement view?

I am keen to do that also?

Please explain further about what your doing mate :-)

thanks, Travis

[Luko]

umm i guess I just use ableton as one would cubase, arrangement only

for me i find session view only useful for live jamming, i think farting around trying to map out a rough track in session before taking it into arrangment to be a bit slow - each to their own tho

i do however when mucking around trying to find ok sounds to use jam a little in session - sometimes... although i find i can work and test out clips just as quickly in arrangment

not sure if i answered you question  there mate   happy to elaborate if i not make sense

[DSILVR]

Luke mate

how do you ONLY use arrangement view? Like making clips and that ? Elaborate please :-)

[Luko]

ahh well its all the same really i just like linear sequencing i guess

if i want ot make a midi clip in arrangement ui highlight the number of cells relevant to how long i want the clip to be (8 bars  16 bars etc..) then right click 'Insert Midi Clip"

or if audio samples drag and drop straight from the browser onto the timeline then pull the ends of the clips out  (looping) to the length i am after etc... or i zoom in and start chopping and re-arranging, when i'm done consolodate the audio pieces left into a new clip

although lately i am finding using volume enevelopes within the actuall clip properties to be a better way than chopping away stuff you dont want, i think (and its probably just me) but when i chop the sh*t out of a sample (say drums)  then consolodate it into a new clip it loses something, its not as locked in, i remember a while ago i discovered when you consolodate ableton adds the slightest little snippet of silence to teh start of the new clip, which is why i think i started going for volume envelopes instead

i dont think i have answered you question still?

[dri]

The "red" has nothing to do with Session view, it's just a way to "go back" to automation that has been changed. It's a great function that lets you go nuts doing deep space feedback howling and filter tweaking, and then emerge thinking "wtf were all these knobs doing before??".

As for your questions DSILVR, well i for instance never use Session view when writing. I plot out and play my track like any sequencer. If i want to jam an idea, i will just loop a section and play around that loop until its clear in my head what the arrangement will be like. For me the value of Session view is chopping a track up to play live. That's what makes Ableton so awesome in my eyes, having both the writing and performing software in one.