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I have made the decision (although may not be for the best) to part (not completely) from ableton (as it is the only DAW i use) to either cubase or logic (dont worry i have a mac)(dont worry ill stop with these really annoying bracket things)
Anyway..with all these rumours that logic are saying goodbye to the "pro" audio programs and no more logic 8 etc etc.. Im seriously deciding to go cubase.
This may be a huge huge newb question but couldn't one say that logic is a lot more in depth than cubase.. like ive heard stuff from logic and cubase.. both sound exactly the same (good) and stuff, but there needs to be a reason why all my fav artists use only logic with their good old G5's...
Ive seen both in action, logic to me looks really...well...fuzzy and complicated..not saying cubase isnt.. but to me it looks very simple and nice (like ableton)
I'm definetely adding reason and ableton to the picture...
with your comments.... add "what you would do" as just a background thing
much appreciated
Anthony
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Posted 05 June 2007 - 09:28 PM
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They both are quite deep beyond the surface.
With the latest version of cubase out there, i would say the margin has narrowed somewhat, and some could argue that there was no margin to begin with.
They are both programs that have steep learning curves, but this makes things slightly more rewarding for me.
Seriously, you can get amazing results with even the most basic of software. What matters is how well you know how to use it.
I have heard equal amounts of amazing music from all the big sequencers (Cubase, Logic, Ableton, Fruity)
and an equal amount of shit.
It all comes down to how well you know your DAW and the equipment you use. Plus a little bit of talent doesn't go astray.
With the latest version of cubase out there, i would say the margin has narrowed somewhat, and some could argue that there was no margin to begin with.
They are both programs that have steep learning curves, but this makes things slightly more rewarding for me.
Seriously, you can get amazing results with even the most basic of software. What matters is how well you know how to use it.
I have heard equal amounts of amazing music from all the big sequencers (Cubase, Logic, Ableton, Fruity)
and an equal amount of shit.
It all comes down to how well you know your DAW and the equipment you use. Plus a little bit of talent doesn't go astray.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 01:06 PM
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The reason many pros use Logic is because they have been using it since the old Atari ST days... The reason their music is good is not because they use Logic, it is because they have experience. Obviously all these pros use Macs because Logic was discontinued for PC years ago.
Each program has its strengths and weaknesses, but the overall basic functionality of all sequencers IS THE SAME these days. There is a lot of USEFUL stuff FL can do that Logic can't and vice versa, yet everyone considers FL to be a toy. This is the kind of ignorant thinking that will make your music suck. You need to use what you enjoy using the most, not what is percieved to be "the best" based on someone elses standard.
If you need to ask this question, you should not upgrade from Ableton IMO.
Each program has its strengths and weaknesses, but the overall basic functionality of all sequencers IS THE SAME these days. There is a lot of USEFUL stuff FL can do that Logic can't and vice versa, yet everyone considers FL to be a toy. This is the kind of ignorant thinking that will make your music suck. You need to use what you enjoy using the most, not what is percieved to be "the best" based on someone elses standard.
If you need to ask this question, you should not upgrade from Ableton IMO.
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If you need to ask this question, you should not upgrade from Ableton IMO.
Agreed.
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the only thing that sets logic apart from cubase is it's flexibility with in it's environment which is like a modular programing err environment that lets you chain all sorts of shit together and once mastered can create some pretty amazing things/sounds ... cubase dispenses with this geek feature and presents itself a bit more straight forward like a real recording studio with a few short comings .. as the boys above have said in the end they do exactly the same thing and to be honest the majority of things they don't have in common are pretty niche features....
although the VST 3 engine's audio warping and timestretching are getting almost to be like ableton in ease
although the VST 3 engine's audio warping and timestretching are getting almost to be like ableton in ease
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I think hps and echo especially make good points, not to say everyone isn't right, they are (sucksuck)... my added two cents worth:
- essential functionality for straight out songwriting and mixing is basically the same. As 909 said, Logic has the Environment and a bunch of algorithmic MIDI processing tools, only useful if you know them and want them for advanced /experimental composition.
- Just because Logic won't update or may change name doesn't mean it isn't a strong writing tool. Many people will still use it for quite a while yet. However, I admit I'd be nervous about parting with $1500 before gauging future releases by Apple quite carefully. I feel more comfortable about the future of Steinberg and Cubase under it's current parent Yamaha.
- Logic is also popular with bigger names, esp US artists, because of strong support for Digidesign TDM/HD hardware and aggressive marketing in the US by Emagic in the 90's. If neither of these issues matter to you...
- Trust your intuition, if you like the look and feel of Cubase already that's a good mindset to begin with as you'll feel good about learning it. You'll also find Rewiring your Ableton and Reason things into it will catch on more quickly for you and make you happy
- And I say this time and time again but again I say - give Garageband a bloody good thrashing too! It's awesage for noobs coz it's so easy! Assuming recent OS etc it should be freely sitting there ready to use. More and more top level pros I know use it as the quickest way to put together simple work. You'd be surprised how many TV and radio ads are seriously made in GB these days
- essential functionality for straight out songwriting and mixing is basically the same. As 909 said, Logic has the Environment and a bunch of algorithmic MIDI processing tools, only useful if you know them and want them for advanced /experimental composition.
- Just because Logic won't update or may change name doesn't mean it isn't a strong writing tool. Many people will still use it for quite a while yet. However, I admit I'd be nervous about parting with $1500 before gauging future releases by Apple quite carefully. I feel more comfortable about the future of Steinberg and Cubase under it's current parent Yamaha.
- Logic is also popular with bigger names, esp US artists, because of strong support for Digidesign TDM/HD hardware and aggressive marketing in the US by Emagic in the 90's. If neither of these issues matter to you...
- Trust your intuition, if you like the look and feel of Cubase already that's a good mindset to begin with as you'll feel good about learning it. You'll also find Rewiring your Ableton and Reason things into it will catch on more quickly for you and make you happy
- And I say this time and time again but again I say - give Garageband a bloody good thrashing too! It's awesage for noobs coz it's so easy! Assuming recent OS etc it should be freely sitting there ready to use. More and more top level pros I know use it as the quickest way to put together simple work. You'd be surprised how many TV and radio ads are seriously made in GB these days
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 09:41 AM
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I have tryed to use GB on the odd occasion and have found the opposite...
only have tryed it in a store setting, hevent actually sat down with it.
Will be giving it a good lil go when i get my new MBP.
I read some where thats how Meat katie writes, gets a loop happening in GB import into abletronz and cuts up and does some more shit, then goes to logic to do final.
Strange work flow, but its about what works best for you. And that in the end i all that matters.
only have tryed it in a store setting, hevent actually sat down with it.
Will be giving it a good lil go when i get my new MBP.
I read some where thats how Meat katie writes, gets a loop happening in GB import into abletronz and cuts up and does some more shit, then goes to logic to do final.
Strange work flow, but its about what works best for you. And that in the end i all that matters.
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garage band is pretty cool it was hard for me to take seriously at first but it still will never beat live
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ironically enough , garage band is just suited for .... garage bands ... ;D I know a few that use it
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Sorry for hijacking the thread and going on about GB Anthony, just others started responding...
Yeah I can appreciate GB does take a little getting used to how it does certain things, but I found once over the initial hurdle it does little things pretty well. It'll never replace Live/PT/Reason/etc for serious writing and mixing tho. Got me out of a pickle when Bubble & Squeak wanted a remix of Beef Chief out of me, only days after getting my new Mac. I only had PT with factory plugs, no synths, no MIDI i/f, nuthin really. Ehsan wanted a pad sound added in, so I exported a rough mix to GB, layered up three preset pads, added a bloody great flange over them and played the chords in off the qwerty keyboard - taght myself Bm-Cmaj7 etc. Recorded it into GB, exported the MIDI to iTunes, imported to Tools and mixed them in. Yeah convoluted but given I had no other resources at the time it worked really well. When people say 'nice strings' I can proudly claim GB!!
Yeah I can appreciate GB does take a little getting used to how it does certain things, but I found once over the initial hurdle it does little things pretty well. It'll never replace Live/PT/Reason/etc for serious writing and mixing tho. Got me out of a pickle when Bubble & Squeak wanted a remix of Beef Chief out of me, only days after getting my new Mac. I only had PT with factory plugs, no synths, no MIDI i/f, nuthin really. Ehsan wanted a pad sound added in, so I exported a rough mix to GB, layered up three preset pads, added a bloody great flange over them and played the chords in off the qwerty keyboard - taght myself Bm-Cmaj7 etc. Recorded it into GB, exported the MIDI to iTunes, imported to Tools and mixed them in. Yeah convoluted but given I had no other resources at the time it worked really well. When people say 'nice strings' I can proudly claim GB!!
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