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[AnthonyEhsani]

hey guys

For house music..prog house music..electro house.. and all that. Wouldn't you just use the Beat warp option because it is a constant beat? or do you use complex and all that

[Cheyne]

You use the BEAT warp on your drum tracks .. pretty simple ,  the algorithm used to warp the audio if different and more catered toward time stretching beats and impact style sounds.  And therefor dosnt degrade the sound its self , or tear it in anyway.

[AnthonyEhsani]

So using the beat warp on my full house tracks is the wrong way of doing it?

[Cheyne]

In a word .... yes , but  you probably wont hear the difference ...  but then again its probably on a more sonic level that the damage is being done ...

I actually heard monolake explain all this last year in sydney, at Spank records (monolake is one of the programmers/dev who wrote ableton)

[AnthonyEhsani]

So what would you use for a full house track?

[Cheyne]

Are you talking about doing a full track , ie as if you were DJ'ing ? ..  just use the normal one , or the complex one if you've got a power house machine..      If you use the beat one on a full track you'll get artifacts through your sound , which degrades the quality ....      just use the standard warp for full tracks ...

The beat one is just a little optimized for drum tracks in my understanding.

[AnthonyEhsani]

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Are you talking about doing a full track , ie as if you were DJ'ing ? ..  just use the normal one , or the complex one if you've got a power house machine..    If you use the beat one on a full track you'll get artifacts through your sound , which degrades the quality ....      just use the standard warp for full tracks ...

The beat one is just a little optimized for drum tracks in my understanding.

Standard? my standard is set to beat :S

Sigh *hates being n00b*

[Luka]

if you want to dj with abelton you will want to record your tracks (or portions of the tracks) into another sound recorder like sound forge or cool edit pro. if you record them properly, when you load them into ableton they should be automatically altered to the tempo set by the sequencer. so you shouldnt have to warp.

hope that helps

[Luko]

ableton auto warps clips depending on :

a) preference settings (you can set it to auto warp anything if you want regardless of size)

the size of the clip you drag in..ie if its a whole track it wont always warp it depending on your settings in pref's.

c) if you cut the track up in say soundforge so it all 32 bar loops or 64 bar loops, ableton generally autowarps those clips accuratley enuff providing you have cut the loops correctly ending on 1st beats etc etc..


also if you are looking fo an algorithm to warp whole tracks to - you would wanna be choosing complex, in f act i dare say use complex for as long as your cpu can handle it, ie on every track you warp

hope that helps

[rhythmboy]

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also if you are looking fo an algorithm to warp whole tracks to - you would wanna be choosing complex, in f act i dare say use complex for as long as your cpu can handle it, ie on every track you warp

I agree definitely Complex mode for warping whole mixes - far more transparent and just as accurate as Beats mode.

[Spectrum]

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if you want to dj with abelton you will want to record your tracks (or portions of the tracks) into another sound recorder like sound forge or cool edit pro. if you record them properly, when you load them into ableton they should be automatically altered to the tempo set by the sequencer. so you shouldnt have to warp.

Sorry mate, I'm not sure I'm understanding what you mean (N.B. I've never used SoundForge/CoolEdit)?

How does SoundForge/CoolEdit know what tempo the tracks are running?

Upon exporting to Ableton, how does Ableton then align bars/beats without warping?

Cheers.

[rgr]

if you're playing it back a full track at close to the original tempo, use repitch for the least artifacts. I hate the way complex mode degrades the sound... if you're working with smaller loops, altering the groove, time-stretching etc. with extra markers then use which ever warp mode is most suitable to the material in question.