0
So Abletonsters,
First thread, first questions, from essentially a virgin Live (lite) user.
Any of you peeps using Live to sequence your hardware?
How's it all working for you?
I assume one can create MIDI clips (just like audio clips) and form arrangements in realtime (just like one can with audio).
What have been your experiences?
Also, does Live integrate with hardware, such as a reverb unit, running as an insert?
Cheers. 8)
Back to top
#2
Posted 23 March 2007 - 11:33 PM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
Im using live for everything lately .... I havnt used cubase for months because iv been so happy with Live 6 ....
Its come a long way and I really get idea out quick with Live ...
I sequence my EMX1 , and X-Station to Live .... Route effects out through external effects and its quite good
...
I challenge you to find a function in Live thats not available from any other major sequencer .... other than something ultra specific ....
Its come a long way and I really get idea out quick with Live ...
I sequence my EMX1 , and X-Station to Live .... Route effects out through external effects and its quite good
...I challenge you to find a function in Live thats not available from any other major sequencer .... other than something ultra specific ....
#3
Posted 23 March 2007 - 11:54 PM
-
- Global Moderators
-
- 3,094 posts
"Organised Noise"
Quote
I sequence my EMX1 , and X-Station to Live .... Route effects out through external effects and its quite good ...
...Hey, that's great to hear.
Quote
I challenge you to find a function in Live thats not available from any other major sequencer .... other than something ultra specific ....
I would like (at least) 5 plug-ins per audio track. Last I looked, it was two (could have been a while ago, or I could just have no idea! ;D )
I would like sidechaining of compressors. And I don't think that's being ultra-specific.
Good news on the hardware effects insert routing. That's fantastic.
And I know Google could tell me everything I need to know on the subject. Seach n00b!!! Blah blah... blah...
#4
Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:49 AM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
5 plugins per audio track ? .. Im not sure what you mean ... You talking about putting 5 insert effects on an audio track ?? .. You can put in as many as you want ? .. iv been using Live since Live4 and im an effect whore ... infact that my biggest problem .. i go WAY over kill on effects and plugins , chews my PC down ...
I should post a screenie of a NIN remix I did where i had like 9 plugins on the 1 vocal track ... took up like 85% of CPU ... (and yes .. im aware of the term "bounce to audio" ;D) ..
You can do everything in live ... But its more targetted to quicker production ... You can whip things up quick and simple ... Cubase is just far more comprehensive , although alot of it I just never use ...
Im still primarily a cubase user , but recently iv found iv been able to hammer out my ideas and expand on them 10 fold , a million times quicker than I was within cubase ... so im having a bit of fun ....
If anything , its an exccent tool to rewire ... use Cubase as your main sequencer if you want, but rewire ableton on the side for your creative canvas , so to speak ...
Things like its MIDI mapping capabolities just make it all that much more fun too ... I get away from the keyboard and mouse straight away and find im banging out samples on my Trigger finger like a mad man ... ;D
I should post a screenie of a NIN remix I did where i had like 9 plugins on the 1 vocal track ... took up like 85% of CPU ... (and yes .. im aware of the term "bounce to audio" ;D) ..
You can do everything in live ... But its more targetted to quicker production ... You can whip things up quick and simple ... Cubase is just far more comprehensive , although alot of it I just never use ...
Im still primarily a cubase user , but recently iv found iv been able to hammer out my ideas and expand on them 10 fold , a million times quicker than I was within cubase ... so im having a bit of fun ....
If anything , its an exccent tool to rewire ... use Cubase as your main sequencer if you want, but rewire ableton on the side for your creative canvas , so to speak
...Things like its MIDI mapping capabolities just make it all that much more fun too ... I get away from the keyboard and mouse straight away and find im banging out samples on my Trigger finger like a mad man ... ;D
#5
Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:53 PM
-
- Global Moderators
-
- 3,094 posts
"Organised Noise"
Sold! ;D
I have Live Lite 5 (and the upgrade to the full version of 6 is USD$249 non-boxed, or USD$329 boxed with Essential Instrument Collection - whatever that is.). Pretty fair, I think. Just gonna mean a complete shift in my thinking, a slight learning curve...
...having said that, Live offers everything I like about a sequencer... the ability to construct an arrangement - on the fly - from various patterns is everything that's good about hardware sequencers. :insertthumbsupemoticonhere:
I have Live Lite 5 (and the upgrade to the full version of 6 is USD$249 non-boxed, or USD$329 boxed with Essential Instrument Collection - whatever that is.). Pretty fair, I think. Just gonna mean a complete shift in my thinking, a slight learning curve...
...having said that, Live offers everything I like about a sequencer... the ability to construct an arrangement - on the fly - from various patterns is everything that's good about hardware sequencers. :insertthumbsupemoticonhere:
#6
Posted 25 March 2007 - 09:05 AM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
;D Jah ... for Live use its unbeatable IMO .... and most of all its fun
#7
Posted 28 March 2007 - 09:57 AM
-
- Members
-
- 1,855 posts
VIP Member
- LocationEarth
I sync Live to my dj sets via a RedSound Voyager and trigger drum loops and 'pellas in tempo - makes dj'ing a bit more fun again
I could never use it as a production tool tho, my brain is hardwired into Cubase mode...
I could never use it as a production tool tho, my brain is hardwired into Cubase mode...
#8
Posted 28 March 2007 - 05:58 PM
-
- Members
-
- 705 posts
SoundPunk Veteran
Hmmm, this redsound voyager thing.. tell me more??
#9
Posted 28 March 2007 - 06:05 PM
-
- Members
-
- 472 posts
Gold Punk
phil ableton is thinking outside the square and your gonna have a bit of a learning curve being used to "traditional" sequencers..
you have to pretty much throw away the notion of working in a linear style sequencer and work on a jam format ... now you do a bit of setup with sections of a song and you jam out the process in realtime to get a rough idea how your track is going to be arranged then you tidy it up in a similar way to tools or cubase .. but actually getting the basis and arrangement you cant approach it like you would a standard sequencer. it is quite intuitive once you get the hang of the work flow and it is blindingly quick to get ideas down.. i do all my pre production in it
you have to pretty much throw away the notion of working in a linear style sequencer and work on a jam format ... now you do a bit of setup with sections of a song and you jam out the process in realtime to get a rough idea how your track is going to be arranged then you tidy it up in a similar way to tools or cubase .. but actually getting the basis and arrangement you cant approach it like you would a standard sequencer. it is quite intuitive once you get the hang of the work flow and it is blindingly quick to get ideas down.. i do all my pre production in it
#10
Posted 28 March 2007 - 10:06 PM
-
- Global Moderators
-
- 3,094 posts
"Organised Noise"
Cheers Gav,
It's funny, what you say re thinking outside the square is absolutely no different to to the hardware sequencer approach (ala MC-505), back in my most productive days... Create my patterns, punch 'em in and out in realtime to form an arrangement, update patterns to new patterns to advance in the song/set... And I see the enormous added advantage in Live of having the arrangement captured in a linear format to tweak to perfection....
...yeah, it sounds like it's right up my ally. Gonna have to boot my "lite" version up and see what I can get out of it. Not sure what MIDI limitations my version has (for hardware sequencing). One crippling factor is it only permits 5 clips (or whatever they're called) to run vertically down the page.
Cheers mate.
It's funny, what you say re thinking outside the square is absolutely no different to to the hardware sequencer approach (ala MC-505), back in my most productive days... Create my patterns, punch 'em in and out in realtime to form an arrangement, update patterns to new patterns to advance in the song/set... And I see the enormous added advantage in Live of having the arrangement captured in a linear format to tweak to perfection....
...yeah, it sounds like it's right up my ally. Gonna have to boot my "lite" version up and see what I can get out of it. Not sure what MIDI limitations my version has (for hardware sequencing). One crippling factor is it only permits 5 clips (or whatever they're called) to run vertically down the page.
Cheers mate.
#11
Posted 28 March 2007 - 10:44 PM
-
- Members
-
- 705 posts
SoundPunk Veteran
the lite version will also depend on who's lite version it is as i understand each manufacturer that licences a lite version all have differing sets of features.
I personally found the lite version near unworkable as i use quite a lot of midi and audio channels. Full version for the win!!!!!. plus the upgrade at the moment is really good value money.
I personally found the lite version near unworkable as i use quite a lot of midi and audio channels. Full version for the win!!!!!. plus the upgrade at the moment is really good value money.
#12
Posted 29 March 2007 - 11:08 AM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
Im pretty damn happy with Live 6 .. I mean , I love cubase , but every time I use Ableton i think to my self "jeez this is a good buy" ... its just so freestyle and fun to work with ...
Like HPS mentioned , i find my self writing all my tunes it it lately , then bouncing down to tracks and mixing in cubase ... I get 10000 times more use out of my USB MIDI equipment with its mapping feature ... I really wish cubase and logic would incorporate a "point and assign" midi feature ... i find my self getting lazy all the time manually assigning them the normal way ..
Like HPS mentioned , i find my self writing all my tunes it it lately , then bouncing down to tracks and mixing in cubase ... I get 10000 times more use out of my USB MIDI equipment with its mapping feature ... I really wish cubase and logic would incorporate a "point and assign" midi feature ... i find my self getting lazy all the time manually assigning them the normal way ..
#13
Posted 30 March 2007 - 12:43 AM
-
- Members
-
- 1,855 posts
VIP Member
- LocationEarth
Quote
Hmmm, this redsound voyager thing.. tell me more??
Ahh, my little 'magic box' - this thing I've had for years and is the heart of my setup when dj'ing - captures audio signal and generates midi clock. Pretty simple design, and works quite a treat. It really has changed the way I dj - allows me to use the laptop as a sampler, 4'th deck, and FX all in tempo.
Has the usual spak-out when given broken-beats, but catches up when it settles on a bpm.
Redsound are an English company and don't have an Oz distributer - I've emailed them a few times (updates for voyager etc) and they do international shipping. Believe me when I say these things aren't found often, and get a few looks from the chin-stroke brigade
Well, now you all know my dirty secret. Best to spread the love i spose!Check out www.redsound.com
#14
Posted 30 March 2007 - 04:09 PM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
Wow thats a pretty cool tool .... But how much can you get them for ?? .. it says 149 pounds on the site ? ...thats a bit more than id like to pay for a sync tool ...
#15
Posted 30 March 2007 - 04:18 PM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
shit the more i read about these the more i want one .... I want the XL 
those loops sound dope !
those loops sound dope !
#16
Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:35 PM
-
- Members
-
- 705 posts
SoundPunk Veteran
The sound bit micro is the go.
#17
Posted 30 March 2007 - 09:02 PM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
What about a KP3 ?? heaps more features , and works in a similiar way ?? .... anyone tried ?
#18
Posted 31 March 2007 - 12:45 PM
-
- Members
-
- 1,855 posts
VIP Member
- LocationEarth
Can it output Midi Clock?
If so, then that would be an awesome little weapon...
If so, then that would be an awesome little weapon...
#19
Posted 31 March 2007 - 12:47 PM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
Yup it can ... It also utilizing the effects engine from the RADIUS ... Also has inbuilt vocoder which would be great
#20
Posted 31 March 2007 - 12:50 PM
-
- Administrators
-
- 2,658 posts
El Capitano
- LocationLondon
http://korg.com/gear...3&category_id=2
Stay in Sync
Tempo is an integral element of the KP3. Sampling times are set in terms of tempo, and many effects are also tempo-based. All tempo-related functions are accurate to .1 (one-tenth) of a BPM for more precise matching to external devices. To keep everything sync�d up, the KP3 features auto-BPM detection from the audio input; Tap-Tempo entry, as well as a manual tempo setting. The KP3 can also send and receive tempo information via MIDI clock. This extra versatility allows the KP3 to detect BPM info from a turntable, and in turn provide MIDI clock to other devices down the line, keeping everything moving together.
Stay in Sync
Tempo is an integral element of the KP3. Sampling times are set in terms of tempo, and many effects are also tempo-based. All tempo-related functions are accurate to .1 (one-tenth) of a BPM for more precise matching to external devices. To keep everything sync�d up, the KP3 features auto-BPM detection from the audio input; Tap-Tempo entry, as well as a manual tempo setting. The KP3 can also send and receive tempo information via MIDI clock. This extra versatility allows the KP3 to detect BPM info from a turntable, and in turn provide MIDI clock to other devices down the line, keeping everything moving together.
1 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users
